Critical Care-Facility Charges for Hospital

My facility is using a coding vendor who wants nursing to document critical care time like providers do. Our nurses document what they do, but don't currently summarize the amount of time they've been at the bedside. We currently use an Epic product and we're wondering if the Epic Flowsheet would help us. Does anyone else have this same issue and how have you solved it?

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  • Did you ask why they wanted this? Physician critical care billing is totally different than facility billing, I don't see the reason to record minutes spent by an RN. This sounds fishy...
  • Is it because the patient has to be in the ED for a minimum number of minutes to charge for Critical Care?
  • 99291 is defined as 1st 30-74 minutes of critical care. We use Epic nursing documentation, including the ED pt care timeline and flow sheets, in addition to the condition of the patient, to support the use of this code/charge.  If we cannot confidently code/charge 99291 we will code/charge 99285 instead.

  • Be careful - it seems there is a mixing of physician and facility fee billing of critical care. Physician is time based with acuity and facility is acuity based without regard to time. The codes are the same but the code choice is very different
  • For our internal hospital mapping of the ED E/M choices, we kept the 30 minute requirement for 99291.  Are you saying that we don't have to?  I do understand that the hospital has to have their own E/M mapping for the 99281-99285, which we do... but we always thought we "had" to keep the time requirement on the 99291 in our mapping as well.  Please advise.  Thanks!
  • Well, darn if you aren't right. I take back everything I said. There is no relationship between facility and doctor for 99281-99285 but time is used the same for both. But I would venture it is much easier for a facility to hit the 30 min mark than the doctor; the doctor comes in, runs the code then leaves. The RN is there much longer stabilizing the patient. 
    Sorry!!!!!

  • Thanks.  I started to think I was crazy and was starting to panic if we had been doing something wrong.
  • We have actually run into situations where the facility did not meet the 30 minute threshold (the patient expired at 25 minutes) but the physician did and was able to charge for 30 minutes of critical care time,.  The physician can charge for time with family members, reviewing tests results and imaging reports and the facility does not.  We no longer use the physician documentation to determine if the 30 minute time frame has been met.
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